file corruption

I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message

I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

Andre,
I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....
Josh
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit?

Oh yes, I forgot about that one Josh, I have experienced instability with EZ also and I had to uninstall it safe mode. So good point. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Joshua Edwards" wrote in message

Andre,
I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....
Josh
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit?

I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

There is no uninstall/rollback option for Vista. You will need an XP installation cd to get back to XP.
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;)
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message

I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

Good luck. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andrew Shaw" wrote in message

That's an interesting point Andre. I've just installed the CA EZ product on one of my test Vista machines and that *seems* OK so far, but I've also installed the other product MS have on their site, the PC-Cillin one on my second Vista test box and that seems to have killed it. I'm about to do your trick and uninstall it and see if I get my laptop back !
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Oh yes, I forgot about that one Josh, I have experienced instability with EZ also and I had to uninstall it safe mode. So good point. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Joshua Edwards" wrote in message Andre,
I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....
Josh
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit?

To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message

I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

I have Avast running on 32bit Vista quite happily :)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Andrew Shaw" wrote in message

Avast is indeed free for home, personal use. I've been using it for a while on my home XP box and it works very well. I think its about to go on my Vista box now too!
"Bones" wrote in message To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

I cannot save my files before doing this format/clean install. It keeps telling me that there are files not found and that I have to run chkdsk. I do this, but it seems that every time I go back into Vista the hard drive gets corrupted again. I desperately need access to my data. What can I do?
"Bones" wrote:

To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

That's an interesting point Andre. I've just installed the CA EZ product on one of my test Vista machines and that *seems* OK so far, but I've also installed the other product MS have on their site, the PC-Cillin one on my second Vista test box and that seems to have killed it. I'm about to do your trick and uninstall it and see if I get my laptop back !
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Oh yes, I forgot about that one Josh, I have experienced instability with EZ also and I had to uninstall it safe mode. So good point. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Joshua Edwards" wrote in message Andre,
I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....
Josh
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit?

Thanks, but alas it didn't work. I couldn't even uninstall PC-cillin from safe mode, I got complaints about Installer not functioning. The laptop rebuild is happening as I write this :-)
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Good luck. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andrew Shaw" wrote in message That's an interesting point Andre. I've just installed the CA EZ product on one of my test Vista machines and that *seems* OK so far, but I've also installed the other product MS have on their site, the PC-Cillin one on my second Vista test box and that seems to have killed it. I'm about to do your trick and uninstall it and see if I get my laptop back !
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Oh yes, I forgot about that one Josh, I have experienced instability with EZ also and I had to uninstall it safe mode. So good point. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Joshua Edwards" wrote in message Andre,
I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....
Josh
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit?

Umm you upgraded to a beta OS on a pc with important data without backing it up? That's really just begging for something to happen to the data. Do you have an extra partition where you could try to install XP and access the data from there?
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message

I cannot save my files before doing this format/clean install. It keeps telling me that there are files not found and that I have to run chkdsk. I do this, but it seems that every time I go back into Vista the hard drive gets corrupted again. I desperately need access to my data. What can I do?
"Bones" wrote:
To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

Avast is indeed free for home, personal use. I've been using it for a while on my home XP box and it works very well. I think its about to go on my Vista box now too!
"Bones" wrote in message

To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

Yes, I did because I figured that at this stage there was no way that an operating system could tamper with my existing data files. The latest is that now chkdsk will not even run. It errors out with the message that there is not enough disk space to fix the master file table. I do not have any extra partition and now I am even having trouble booting into Vista. I am getting desperate.
"Bones" wrote:

Umm you upgraded to a beta OS on a pc with important data without backing it up? That's really just begging for something to happen to the data. Do you have an extra partition where you could try to install XP and access the data from there?
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot save my files before doing this format/clean install. It keeps telling me that there are files not found and that I have to run chkdsk. I do this, but it seems that every time I go back into Vista the hard drive gets corrupted again. I desperately need access to my data. What can I do?
"Bones" wrote:
To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

I figured that at this stage there was no way that an operating system could tamper with my existing data files.

Welcome to Windows.
My latest observation along these lines is that the .Net Framework 2 installer for both 64-bit and 32-bit Windows XP overwrites Dr. Watson stuff on the wrong partitions. If there are other Windows installations on those other partitions then they get corrupted.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message

Yes, I did because I figured that at this stage there was no way that an operating system could tamper with my existing data files. The latest is that now chkdsk will not even run. It errors out with the message that there is not enough disk space to fix the master file table. I do not have any extra partition and now I am even having trouble booting into Vista. I am getting desperate.
"Bones" wrote:
Umm you upgraded to a beta OS on a pc with important data without backing it up? That's really just begging for something to happen to the data. Do you have an extra partition where you could try to install XP and access the data from there?
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot save my files before doing this format/clean install. It keeps telling me that there are files not found and that I have to run chkdsk. I do this, but it seems that every time I go back into Vista the hard drive gets corrupted again. I desperately need access to my data. What can I do?
"Bones" wrote:
To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!

Neal--
I'm not versed in chkdsk problems in Vista; so hopefully someone will address that. I can tell you that you run a real risk right now running SFC System File Checker with some switches in Vista, because unlike the friend SFC is to you in XP, it can often corrupt your registry through the Beta 2 build in Vista. MSFT doesn't like to document many utilities and components in Vista at least they aren't yet on MSDN, their blogs, and Technet, unless it sells you books from the MSFT store. They'll sell you some documentation in one of the nine Vista books that have hit stores early on.
Get Ready to Learn from Books what MSFT Won't Post on its Sites on Win RE, System Restore, SFC in Vista--and get Ready to Pay for It http://www.microsoftbookstore.com/Store.aspx?ain=Default
Neal, I don't know what System Restore will do for you because it's been many peoples' experience that SR in Vista which is dependent on Volume Shadow Services cannot make retore points, and it loses them when you go to an XP boot if it has made any. I also cannot offer you any articles on System Restore in Vista, because those don't exist,but perhaps you can read the scant information there is in Help.
There may be some quick joy for you though in a new Vista feature or utility called Windows Recovery Environment or Win RE. You need a DVD to access it.
There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published no information on it on their site, so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad horizon, they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by fflying by the seat of your pants.
It may be that the missing corrupt system file feature is not up and running in Beta 2. I could tell you more accurately if I could find any information from MSFT or anywhere else on Win RE.
Win RE can be launched directly from the installation media that MSFT says it will mail out to people in a few weeks. If you burn the ISO, Win RE can be launched directly from it. It fixed a registry corruption caused by the erratic damaging SFC (SystemFile Checker) that the developers and PMS on the Vista team have crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corrupt drivers,corrupt registries, drivers that are not compatible with your hardware, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.
In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS. I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to discern what priority MSFT gives it.
***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***
1) Insert Media into PC
2) You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."
3) Select your OS for repair.
4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of them is in English.
5) Just as they did with XP, MSFT will make promises that OEM partitions and Recovery Discs will access Win RE. I've had seven years to realize that's not true; and you have six more years to understand it's not true in Vista. If you pluck down your hard earned money to the large OEM companies for a machine, insist that they fund an OEM retail DVD so that you will be able to access Win RE when Vista RTMs. MSFT is ensuring this won't happen, as are the OEMs because the two entitties can't cooperate on a price point to deliver customers the Recovery tools that they are making in Vista that they need. Corporate customers may have customized solutions in the context of Win RE, but all those teenyboopers using PCs in the MSFT ads that will trumpet Vista aren't corporate customers if I understand what Gartner calls a corporation/enterprise accurately.
5) MSFT will always issue some reflex aphorism like "OEMs are encouraged to provide the media" and I offer you as prime evidence of the efficacy of MSFT encouragement 7 years of XP and its Beta where I've fixed 1000 no start XP's and hidden and unhidden partitions from large so-called OEM named partners have been over 99% ineffective.
*Ask anyone who signs such a statement if they will go on prime time TV trying to access Win RE with a standard OEM recovery disc or partition.* Don't expect the silence to ever be broken. Don't expect anyone from MSFT to jump in here or anywhere else and say "Hell yes those OEM discs will access Win RE." They know a lot better. They know the truth and silence underscores that they do. If they think diffently, let's see Stevie Ballmer dance on in here and say so.
Truth in advertising would be a polished statement like "Hey Yo Customers. We know you're buying OEM pre-installed Vista. But listen up, because if you want effective access to our spiffy new recovery feature, you had better get your hands on a retailed DVD. Are we requiring you to purchase Vista twice (preinstalled and a retailed DVD? You bet your little round start button we are." Don't expect Wegner-Edstrom or any companies hired to do the "Vista in Every Pot in countries where no PC is left behind the migration ad campaign" to advertise with this kind of clarity and transparency. It's my experience if you want to make a room full of softies very quiet, ask them about the ability of OEM tools to handle no boots and what the success rate is. Most of the softies don't have a lot of experience with no boots,and when they do, they know the truth and they have tons of their own media free anyway.
What would change this is if everyone purchasing an OEM computer simply insist to the sales person, that they won't spend their hundreds or thousands of dollars unless they get a genuine MSFT Retail DVD with that very expensive machine. What would be interesting is if the OEM VP of MSFT would post precisely what code is given over to the OEMs to make these half baked not even capable of being a frissbee Recovery CDs or what goes into a so called and classic oxymoron of a name "recovery partitions."
When you realize that the MSFT OEM VP is an accountant from Price Waterhouse with no background in computer software engineering, it gets very easy to understand what is going on in the 3 Card Monte Shell Game where MSFT tells you their OEM partners are "encouraged to provide access to their Recovery tools like Win RE." It is time that the Vista PMs stood up to these accountants who block delivery of their software to a prospective/projected 500 million OEM non enterprise customers and insisted that their product get delivered to customers. But often a backbone is a very difficult thing to find at Redmond. Gates, Ballmer, Sinofsky, Allchin and Chris Jones, Corporate VP Windows Client Core Development should proudly stand up and brag that they are delivering the full panopoly of their software recovery mechanisms to OEM customers but they won't and they can't right now because they aren't.
Good luck,
CH


"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message

Yes, I did because I figured that at this stage there was no way that an operating system could tamper with my existing data files. The latest is that now chkdsk will not even run. It errors out with the message that there is not enough disk space to fix the master file table. I do not have any extra partition and now I am even having trouble booting into Vista. I am getting desperate.
"Bones" wrote:
Umm you upgraded to a beta OS on a pc with important data without backing it up? That's really just begging for something to happen to the data. Do you have an extra partition where you could try to install XP and access the data from there?
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot save my files before doing this format/clean install. It keeps telling me that there are files not found and that I have to run chkdsk. I do this, but it seems that every time I go back into Vista the hard drive gets corrupted again. I desperately need access to my data. What can I do?
"Bones" wrote:
To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had time to try to d/l it yet.
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and I need my computer to be working depserately.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista. You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in safe mode, it might help a bit? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do my work!